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an upset again? >> go to iowa. meet people, shake hands. do not take things for granted. >> got to the mattresses. go to iowa. peter hamby, thank you so much. read the full column at cnn.com/politics. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead with jake tapper" starts now, a special show from new jersey. >> new jersey governor chris christie using the power of his office to defend himself against accusations that he abused the power of his office. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead" in trenton, new jersey. the politics lead. usually the state of the state address does not attract this much attention but when you talk about the man who is the whole's show 2016 front-runner, it's an event. chris christie, under multiple
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examinations. the cop is in court for allegedly gunning down a man for killing a man for texting in a theater. and the world lead. he has the blood of hundreds of people on his hands and khalid sheikh mohammed is now speaking out about spreading islam through violence. what is behind his supposed reversal? good afternoon. i'm jake tapper. we're coming to you live from where chris christie is giving the most closely watched state of the state address of his career, perhaps in new jersey history, frankly, right here in the capital city of trenton. a week ago, this republican governor in this traditionally blue state, lengthening the school year, the school day. that, of course, was before
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damaging e-mails came to light to show that some in his inner circle orchestrated a massive traffic jam in spite of the democratic mayor who did not endorse christie for re-election last year. so far, there is no evidence tieing christie directly to those decisions and he denies that he knew anything about it but today facing multiple legislative investigations for the bridgegate, addressed this issue which has potential damage to his image and to his possible hopes of running for president in 2016. >> the stakes wemistakes were clearly made and as a result we letdown the people we're entrusted to serve. i know our citizens deserve better, much better. now, i'm the governor. and i'm ultimately responsible for all that happens on my watch, both good and bad.
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and without a doubt, we will cooperate with all appropriate inquiries to ensure that this breach of trust does not happen again. but i also want to assure the people of new jersey today that what has occurred does not define us or our state. >> now, you can't call these second-term woes because technically christie's second term hasn't begun yet. he'll be inaugurated a week from today. chris christie is also being audited for whether money was misused in relation to hurricane sandy. christie did not directly address that particular investigation in his speech. but let's talk about what today's speech means going forward with political commentator ryan lizza and matt arco, state house politicker.
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gentlemen, thank you for being here. your reaction, you live outside of trenton, what did you think of the speech and addressing the scandal? >> well, look, it's something that he had to add into the speech. just a couple of weeks during his press conference, the two-hour press conference, he said that he wasn't going to be addressing that but i think it's gotten larger. so it's something that he couldn't ignore. and i think the idea of why he addressed it is because now he's -- if he was just talking to new jersey voters, that's one thing. but he has a larger audience. he has this larger audience and he needs to prove, i think, to national republicans that he's somebody that can, you know, handle a controversy like this and pull through. so that's certainly why that was added to the speech now. >> ryan, what do you think of how he addressed that? >> well, he had this phrase in there. >> mistakes were made? >> mistakes were made that i kind of was blown away. every politician knows that's a
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phrase from the iran contra controversy and through the years and is mocked as this passive voice way of pretending to take responsibility for something when you're not. i think we're not talking about the bridge controversy in the content of the speech. frankly, if the bridge controversy hadn't happened, we would not be there. but he's still looking for clues about his 2016 campaign in the speech. not a lot there for conservatives. he talked a lot about low taxes and the issue that republicans have and most recently about crime. but aside from that, the big headline was his education program. >> yeah. >> i think he's sticking to this plan, his political plan as the moderate republican who is going to do things differently from the way the last two presidential candidates have. >> absolutely. and on that bipartisan, which, of course, is something that we saw and i don't know if it was six or a dozen references there, but bipartisan, it was
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definitely an underlying theme during his re-election campaign. it was a theme in the vote that came in for him. >> right. >> democrats voted for him, women voted for him. >> absolutely. >> and pardon the pun, but he was trying to build a reputation as a bridge builder, this bridge scandal undermines that. how solid is republican support for him here in new jersey, voters and legislators? >> there is a recent poll that came out that shows that voters in new jersey don't see that concerned right now. they -- his approval rating for the first time since superstorm sandy dropped below 60% but it's still very good and overall in new jersey voters tend to give him the benefit of the doubt. how that plays nationally, that might be a different story. as far as republican lawmakers' reaction to it, it's been very
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quiet. >> from folks that for years get their marching orders, their talking points from the front office, you know, it's been very quiet. so that just tells you that the office itself is -- >> national loly, too, there's actually been an outpouring. he's chairman of the republican association and this was supposed to be the year where he runs all over the country raising money and building up goodwill with republican governors. and other that a few here and there, south carolina i'm thinking of specifically, there hasn't been a lot of support for him. >> that's exactly right. there has not been folks in the house of representatives and both of those chambers, they are not going out to bat for him. fallout from the sandy bill, remember last year when that was put on the floor of the house, there was a confrontation between speaker of the house, john boehner so no love lost
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there. >> christie berated said pass these funds. we need them. it became a very ugly confrontation. >> absolutely. the power center of the republican party, whether it's the ideological talk radio wing, they don't love christie. they see him as a moderate and don't like what he did with that bill. the governors you, would expect, to be rooting for him because, look, what is the republican governor's association. it's a big money machine. they are raising money and dispensing that. >> in florida he's going to be raising money for governor rick scott and the rga. but i have seen, though, some support for christie expressed by conservatives in social media and talk radio. people who never supported him before looking at the media and democrats and saying, here we go again. you're holding christie to a different standard that you hold president obama. at least christie owned it, took responsibility. obama never did that, in their
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view. so i have seen some of that now. >> he had a two-hour press conference. he didn't just answer a few questions. he let reporters throw every single question at him. that probably plays well for him. but maybe to your point, i don't know if republicans are waiting to see if there's more fallout from this because there are more questions. they could be keeping quiet at the moment. >> why defend someone in the middle of a pretty serious scandal if you don't know all of the facts. >> matt arco, and ryan lizza, we're going to take a very quick break. when we come back, we're going to have the press conference in florida from that shooting. a father shot and killed after a fight with an ex-cop over using his cell phone in a movie theater and the raucous that broke out after that. we'll bring that to you live. plus, governor christie is done doing damage control for now but is bridgegate really behind him? we'll talk to the democrat here in new jersey who is leading a special committee investigating
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the traffic snarl. that's right ahead. stay with us.
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u. welcome back to "the lead." the reason we're coming to you live isn't just because it's so nice in trenton and the weather is so great here. it's because a short time ago governor chris christie wrapped up his state of the state address amid multiple legislative investigations amid so-called bridgegate. christie began his state of the state address by, once again,
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apologizing for the scandal. >> and without a doubt, we will cooperate with all appropriate inquiries to ensure that this breach of trust does not happen again. >> reporter: governor christie in his marathon news conference last week following the damaging bridgegate e-mails said he was shocked, blindsided by the revelations within and says that the assembly has reason to believe that a substantial amount of republicans as well as john joins me now. what did you think of the governor's speech? we were told by a reporter that there hasn't been a huge outpouring of support by the governor by republicans in the assembly and in the state senate what do you think of what he did? >> he was straightforward.
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he said, number one, investigate me. we're all going to participate. we're going to vote for the investigation and i'm going to serve on that committee. >> you know these cast of characters. you know bridget anne kelly, mr. stepien who some believe must have been playing a leadership role. what do you think happened? >> i don't know what happened but i trust the governor's word. when he says he doesn't know, this is a former u.s. attorney who indicted over 100 politicians, the last guy who is going to lie to the cameras, in my opinion, is governor chris christie. >> is this the kind of thing that happens in this state? i don't mean to be prejudice. i live in philadelphia so i'm sorry i have some bias. is this the kind of thing that will happen in your state, that somebody closes off lanes because somebody didn't endorse somebody? >> i've never heard anything
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like that but i hope not. this governor had to be very tough to do the historic reforms that, in my judgment, were not going to happen. he has to be tough. for political purposes, assume that happened. >> do you agree with other supporters of chris christie, that if there's any evidence that comes out -- i know you don't think there is. but if any evidence comes out, that he ordered this or even was aware of it, his political career is done? >> well, i can tell you that i trust this governor. i highly doubt that he would ever deny involvement when he was involved. he's not that type of guy. the straightest talker that i've ever seen in the statehouse. that would be beyond my wildest dreams. >> humor me. if it came out -- >> if a governor lies about what he knows, that's troublesome. that didn't happen here. >> thank you so much, mr.
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bramnick. i should point out that in florida there's a conference going on about the shooting in florida where a former policeman shot a man who was texting in the movie theater. they got into a squabble. apparently the man texting through a bag of popcorn at the former policeman and the former policeman shot and killed him, wounded the man's wife. we are waiting for that press conference we're also waiting for an update on the school shooting in new mexico. "the lead" continues here in trenton, new jersey. [announcer] word is getting out.
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welcome back to "the lead" coming to you live from beautiful new jersey. once again, he addressed the bridgegate scandal. continuing our politics lead, i want to bring in a lawmaker who watched christie's address. the democrat who is leading the special committee investigating the traffic snarl. apparently created through christie's office. he's raised the possibility of impeachment against the governor. assemblyman, good to see you in person. >> good to see you. >> first of all, impeachment? >> we are not there yet. people have asked that question and obviously an assembly committee could always vote article of impeachment but we have no evidence that the governor ordered the lane closure. >> or even knew about it, right? >> we're not at anything close to impeachment. >> but you're going to find that hard to believe? i get the skepticism. that's hit three in
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investigating the committee but there's no evidence, there's no proof? >> there's no document that proves that an e-mail to chris christie closed the lanes or i closed the lanes or allow them to close the lanes. there's nothing like that. but there's senior staff during the election year that knows about that. it's hard to believe that the chief of staff says laws were broken and he doesn't pick up the phone and say they are accusing your appointees of breaking the law? >> he did raise the bridgegate scandal. >> i thought he gave a great speech. i think it's appropriate that he raised the issue and pledged to cooperate. we're hopeful that he did address it. >> right. and he is against any tax increases. that's an issue for assembly democrats. >> right. >> he talked in the speech about working in a bipartisan fashion.
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no state has worked in a bipartisan fashion more than new jersey. i think a lot of people are just tuning in to governor christie right now. they might be surprised to hear that claim. i know you and he don't always see eye to eye. but step back from the scandal for a second. have you guys worked well together? has there been a bipartisan cooperation? >> every bill is a bipartisan bill. >> have you worked well, is what i'm saying. >> i think it's been a very difficult relationship. i think the governor has set lines in the sand and has said this is what we're doing so it's my way or the highway. as i said, a democratic legislature with a republican governor makes every bill by poort san but both sides give a
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little. that's not how this governor operates. >> you said something a second ago about the governor's senior staff knowing that laws were broken. you're referring to documentation from almost 2000 pages of documentation that came out later. >> right. >> explain exactly, because our viewers may not know exactly, what are you talking about? >> when he found out about the lanes being -- >> mr. sampson? >> no, pat foye, the operational day to day guy at the port authority ordered them opened immediately and said federal and state laws have been broken and all of the agency protocols and rules have been violated. now, that was copied to, among other people, regina, one of the people slated to be the governor's new chief of staff and charlie mckenna. >> that's who sth. >> the governor's chief counsel. the current chief of staff is
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set to become the attorney general. >> i'm sorry. >> the current chief counsel is set to go to the school's development -- >> there's a lot of chairs. >> a lot of people moving around. the fact is, these are people very close to the governor. they see him every day. it's a campaign year. anything that's going wrong in the state, they are likely to talk to him just so that he's not caught unaware, that a reporter doesn't say, what about the lanes in ft. lee, somebody's accused your staff of illegality. he's going to know about that so he knows to respond. so for him to say he doesn't know -- and then on september 11th he's with wildstein, david sampson, bill baroni and himself at a 9/11 event where they are all talking. they knew that there was a lot of mayhem going on in ft. lee and nobody raised the issue. it was just really hard to accept that it happened that way. >> i understand your skepticism. i find it very healthy.
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playing devil's advocate -- >> sure. >> -- is it not possible that they wanted to keep him out of the loop? obviously bridget anne kelly lied to him and his staff. you believe that, right? when asked the staff, do you know anything about this, you believe that she lied to him, that part? >> the governor gave over 100 people for 60 minutes to come clean. for a man who was a u.s. attorney who did prosecutions before breakfast, he lacked any healthy inquiry about what happened. he fired bridget kelly. now, if it were me, i would at least sit down with the woman and say, why did you do this? how could you come up with this? he said, i didn't talk to her. >> just again, my understanding is that his counsel told him once this came out and they saw these e-mails, don't have anything to do with her. i think that's fairly standard, right? >> clearly. but somebody should have sat down and said, bridget, what were you thinking? why would you do this? they let her go, never talked to her. that's the same thing that
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happened when mr. wildstein left. pat foye said, nobody here has spoken to him about why the lanes were closed. and so this lack of skepticism on a very important issue that really goes to the abuse of public resources and nobody is really asking hard questions, it's just hard to believe that nobody really knew. >> well, we know that you're going to ask hard questions. thank you so much, assemblyman. we have to go to florida where that press conference is taking place about that deadly theater shooting. police say a father was killed for texting during the previews. a fight took place. here's the pasco county sheriff's department starting a briefing right now. >> he was at the rear of the median section. >> to be clear, was this other deputy that got involved, did he subdue reeves? >> when i interviewed him, he advis advised me that he was seated about five seats away. he saw the muzzle flash. the theater was dark.
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when i retrieved the weapon, it was jammed. it was not able to fire again. >> but did that deputy call -- >> the deputy identified himself and actually grabbed the weapon, the end of the barrel? >> did he get any resistance? >> initially but after that he let go. >> do you believe he was trying to fire the gun again? >> i don't know. that's only something that he would know. >> do you know, did he show up initially in the theater with the gun or did he retrieve it at some time? >> i don't know. i don't know at this point. >> can you talk to us before this -- him saying that he got threatened or attacked? >> at the time, when i was on the scene, our initial response was to get him secure, provide medical assistance to those that were shot and get the traumatized theater goers out of that area and interviewed. so i didn't have a chance to do that, no. >> but in the police report there is talk that he said that he felt like something hit him.
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he didn't know what the object was. >> the major crimes detectives in their follow-up interview secured that information but not me personally. >> is there any information that we heard at the hearing about the person who called in in december, the young woman who said that she recognized the defendant and said that, you know, she was on her cell phone -- i think -- i don't know if it was at the same theater and that -- can you tell me that story? >> we're looking into that right now. we got that information. we have detectives looking into that. so unfortunately i can't give you any more information on that right now. >> do i have it right so far? >> i can only give you preliminary information until we get all of the details. >> but you are looking -- >> we did get a call from a citizen stating that while she was in the theater she was texting and somebody who she believes was harassing her. what we're doing is going back now. our detectives will be
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investigating it and see if we can pull video and see, is it the same person? we're going to look into this matter. >> we heard also an attorney say that they believe that the initial aggressor was -- i'm sorry. reeves' attorney said that they believe the initial aggressor was oulson. during the course of your investigation, do you believe, a, that he is the initial aggressor and if that means arguing with somebody, is that ever a reason to shoot somebody? >> curtis reeves is under arrest for second-degree murder. he's the person that we have arrested. we worked with our state attorney's office. his public defender is going to do everything possible to get him off. our job is to bring justice to the victim's family. we believe that all of the information we've gathered, all of the evidence i'm working with the state attorney's office, we are correct in our charges of
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second-degree murder. we have detectives questioning about statements he may have made afterwards. >> do you think this is a possible stand your ground? >> no. i would say from the very beginning of any type of investigation, if we believe a crime has occurred, we're going to look at every possible angle. from looking at it with every possible angle, we determined, yes, it was a second-degree homicide. one of the things we do when we go into a case is we want to make sure there's justice that is served. we know any possible defense will be brought up in a courtroom. knowing that, as the investigation is going on, we looked to see if there could possibly be a defense with stand your ground. working with the state attorney's office, we don't believe there's any reason why the public defense, any reason why curtis reeves' attempt could be justified. >> can you say that again,
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please? >> it basically goes back to the fact that when we go to court, we want a conviction. we're in there to make sure that everything we do is properly done. that we are justifying our action. going forward, because we determined that, yeah, there was a hom tiicide that occurred, knowing what is going to happen in the courtroom. in that time, one of the defenses that could be used is this stand your ground. through our investigation, we looked at it from that angle. we did not determine that stand your ground could be justifiable reason why he shot the victim. so that is the reason i'm working with our state attorney's office who has determined that the stand your ground case, no, does not fly here in this case. >> if i could ask you, did the state attorney send to the scene and did they work in concert with the conclusion about stand your ground? >> yes. the assistant state attorney, mandy garcia, was there very
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early on. we have a tight working relationship with him. we thank him for that relationship. he was there from the beginning. we were working with our detectives. we huddled up and that was the conversation that was brought up and one of the questions that we pass around, because we listen to our detectives, we listen to the boots on the ground, the ones doing the job. we asked everyone, point blank, what's your belief? everyone said, this is not a stand your ground case. >> can we heard from your detective about what he said to you about him defending himself? >> well, i would first just like to pretext that by saying it is an active, ongoing investigation. and so don't be surprised if that answers that you get to the majority of the questions that you've been listening to. >> has he denied that he took a gun out and shot the gentleman who died? >> no. >> can you give me your name? >> detective timothy harris. >> what did he say about the shooting? >> active investigation. >> did at any time oulson do
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anything more other than throw popcorn at -- let me ask that first. did he throw popcorn? >> that's still part of the active investigation. i can say that there were words that were exchanged between the two men. >> anything physical? >> no physical contact. >> towards -- towards reeves, not at all? >> not that we've been aware of. no. >> the suspect at one point, after the initial altercation, got up and left the theater. it was implied that he went to speak to someone in management or to complain to someone at the theater. did he, in fact, do that? >> yes. yes. there was contact made with the manager and he told the manager that the man had his phone and the manager said that, you know, he was glad that he made him aware of it. >> i'm sorry. explain that one more time? is. >> he did report to the
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management that the gentleman was on his phone. >> did he get his gun at that time? >> i'm sorry? >> did he get the gun at that time or did he have it in his pocket all the time? >> as far as we're aware, he was in possession of the firearm when he entered the facility. i know there was mention that he had left, went to his car. that's in fact not true. >> did the manager say he was going to do something after that conversation or was it just left to -- >> i don't know exactly what the manager told him myself but he was made aware of the situation. and i -- >> did the manager ever come into the theater? >> no, not that we're aware of. they hadn't had time. >> which sort of security is there that you can review? >> active investigation. so we're still working on that. is there a security system that will provide you any information? >> there's a security system in the theater. whether it ultimately provides us with any information is still to be determined.
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>> is there a camera in that room? >> you've been listening to the pasco county sheriff in florida talk about charges against a former policeman, curtis reeves, who killed a man after they got into a squabble because the man was texting during previews of the film. i want to bring in legal analyst jeffrey toobin who is in florida. it's a shocking case. reeves told police he was, quote, in fear of being attacked. he says that the victim threw a bag of popcorn on him. now, the police didn't directly answer whether this could be -- i think the police said they don't think it will be a stand your ground case. i'm not sure whether they've ruled that out. what are your thoughts? >> actually, this just happened and the city and state attorney are going to have to investigate it thoroughly. there's a lot to know, even though this seems like a very brief series of events. undoubtedly there are other events in the theater.
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there will be people who saw the full exchange. the police officer, the former police officer is 71 years old. they are going to have to look into what sort of -- does he have any sort of criminal record? does he have any health problems, any mental health problems, all of that is going to have to be explored before the authorities decide how he's going to be charged. >> how much time could the former officer be looking at, if convicted? >> well, this is florida and florida is the number two death penalty case after texas. so a homicide could be a death penalty case. given his age, that is highly unlikely but certainly prison the rest of his life, especially since the defendant here is so old to start with. >> a shocking case in florida. jeffrey toobin, thank you so
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much. it was his lead that led to thousands of deaths on september 11th. now khalid sheikh mouhamed says he's had a change of heart. what he's saying in his new manifesto, next.
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welcome back to "the lead" live from ten ton, new jersey. a proposal to reinstate long-term unemployment benefits has failed to clear two procedural votes in the senate. that leaves more than one million unemployed americans in sort of limbo. so, what now? dana bash is live from capitol hill. are there other venues that they can proceed down? >> not completely dashed but not being looking good, promising before congress goes on another recess in one week. what's going on here is that democrats and republicans can't decide on several things.
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one, the length of the extension. democrats said only three months. if longer, they want it to be longer if paid for and then the second thing is the idea of amendments, fairness. republicans are saying that they don't -- they are being stipled. all of this, jake, despite the fact that you have eight republican senators who have been working pretty much nonstop to try to have a bipartisan agreement. senator reid and some of his colleagues are doing the same and still, still, they can't bridge their differences over something that all of these senators say they do understand is important for people who don't have jobs or haven't for so, so long. it's really a classic state of affairs right now in the senate. >> as of right now, the senate bill for extending unemployment benefits, dashed, at least for now. dana bash on capitol hill, thank you so much. coming up next, a new honor
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welcome back to "the lead" live from trenton, new jersey. he was behind the unthinkable death in september 2011 but now in just released documents, 9/11 mastermind, khalid sheikh mohamed is now saying that islam is not responsible for spreading violence across the world. he's been waiting for trial and we now now he's fiercely working
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on a manifesto. this is his first communication with the world since 2009 when he was accused by terrorism. in the latest statements, he says, "the whole koran forbids us to use for as a means of converting." published by "the huffington post" just a short time ago. ryan is here with a close look. back in 2009, mohammed spoke of violence justified by religion of fear and enemies of god, jews, and with god's will and and paganss. >> it's not entirely clear. he says that that is something that was justified because they were defending the muslim
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people. but he's not really -- he doesn't really have a coherent narrative for his beliefs and it's clearly he's working through these issues after being exposed to interactions with his legal team on a regular basis and coming into contact with christians pretty regularly. so it's certainly not backing away at all from his attacks and the justification he believes for them. >> ryan -- ryan, it's joe johns in washington. jake's mike has gone out. we'll try to get back to him in just a minute. what was the biggest takeaway for you from this interview? was there something special and unique and different that you haven't seen before in covering cases? >> it's interesting because i think he talks about so many issues and he's very clearly up to speed on sort of current
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american affairs. he talks about same-sex marriage. he obviously opposes it. he talks about the catholic church's sex scandals perhaps that the reason it happened is children were drunk on communion wine. he also takes a shot at the military suicide rate, suggesting that the people who -- the fighters in afghanistan are happier because they are following islam as compared to american soldiers who he says use their playstations and go home and commit suicide. it's a wide array of issues including the overcrowding of prisons. it's interesting to hear that perspective from someone who has claimed that responsibility and is believed to be behind the september 11th attacks. >> ryan, it's jake tapper. joe, thank you for picking up where i left off.
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after his comments were made public, a judge ruled that no more of khalid sheikh mohammed's comments would be released. >> they made a ruling that allowed this to happen. this statement was sent out to his defense attorneys as well as the entire courtroom including the judge. this was a document unclassified but the decision last month got away from the idea that all -- everything that he said was presumed classified allowing, you know, someone who received this letter to be more comfortable to make it public. >> all right. ryan riley of "the huffington post," thank you very much. very interesting and chilling in some ways. edward snowden, the nsa contractor who took a treasure trove of the agency's secrets and leaked them to the world isn't a journalist but he's a journalist dream source which is why today in news we're breaking
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right now on "the lead," the freedom of the press foundation has announced that snowden has the board of directors. the former u.s. analyst who gave the infamous pentagon papers to "the new york times" back in 1971. mr. ells berg, thank you so much for being here. why has the organization decided to add snowden to the board of directors even though he's not actually a journalist? >> well, i'm not a journalist either. in fact, i'm a source. the same sort that he had ward snowden has been. and he represents the values, i think, of the freedom of the press foundation, freedomfoundation.org. it's essential to the first amendment, freedom of the press, and of speech. you can't have investigative journalism in the foreign policy or so-called defense area
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without, putting it very bluntly, leaks of classified information because the secrecy system and classification system has been so abused, always, that the information that the public needs to know to be the sovereign public and to have an influence on these policies is routinely classified no matter what he conceals. so he's acted. he's put his life on the line. i admire him, personally, very much. he's a hero of mine. and we're very proud, actually, to have him join us on the board which also includes, by the way, journalists who have been the channel into journalism for the revelations he's made which, in turn, have led to about half a dozen legislative proposals for reigning in the nsa and i think he's been a very valuable citizen. >> mr. ellsberg, what do you
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make of the critics that say even if you believe the metadata program should have been brought to light, there have been all sorts of leaks provided by snowden that don't necessarily discuss the freedoms that we hold so dear in terms of not wanting to be intrusive and unconstitutional surveillance but things that have actually hurt sources, hurt individuals in other countries trying to help the united states. what is your response to those who say, not all of these leaks have been good ones and not all of them have been in the name of what the freedom of the press foundation stands for? >> look, judgment has to be exercised in terms of what the public needs to know and ought to know and what has been withheld and there may be individual aspects of that where judgments may differ. but remember, we heard these same warnings at the beginning, middle, and end of -- i should say, at the beginning and middle
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of the prosecution of chelsea manning over a matter of years. blood was on people's hands and so forth. at the end of the trial, they have not produced one scrap of evidence supporting those assertions that anything or any person has been harmed as a result of those revelations, which was the largest since the pentagon papers and the largest until edward snowden. now, as far as i'm aware, the government has not produced one scrap of evidence to back up the claims that he has actually harmed either procedures or people entirely. so those have to be taken very skeptically where judgment would differ from him. by the way, he very explicitly said he didn't want his own judgment to be the last word on this. he gave it to the journalists and returned to newspapers with very explicit warnings that they should exercise their own judgment and i think all of the
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items that you've been alluding to referred in "the washington post" which was found newsworthy. >> daniel ellsberg, thank you for coming on "the lead". the boss is back with a new album but does he live up to his high hope's name? that's next. [ male announcer ] here's a question for you: is your tv powered by coal?
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welcome back to "the lead" live from trenton new jersey. what better place to be than in new jersey when the boss releases his latest album. ♪ high hopes is bruce
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springsteen's latest album. most is unreleased or reworked material. a favorite australian band "the punks." check it out. ♪ joining us now is christopher john farleigh. always good to he sue you. you're author of the new novel "game world." we only have a little time. what do you think of the new album? is it good? >> yeah, i think it's a really great garage sale at springsteen's house. you find new things and things you didn't even know that you were looking for. it may be confusing some of the stuff but there are songs worth dusting off. he does a great cover here with tom morello.
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that's nice to hear it revived again on this album. >> springsteen fans like you and me, we always like to talk about how important he is. i guess this album -- is it important and does it even have to be important to be an enjoyable album? >> there are some songs -- like one called "the wall" a visit to a vietnam memorial wall. that's a moving song. of course, "tom jode," that's an important song. springsteen doesn't have to be important, quote/unquote, to be good. there's the "screen door slams." it's a small moment, a personal moment that became important because it seemed to connect to listeners. i still think about it when i'm listening to it and driving in the car. springsteen doesn't need to be important to be good. he just needs to be himself.
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>> all right. christopher john farley, thank you so much. we'll see you soon. that's it for "the lead." i know turn you over to mr. wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, hillary clinton may have a hitting problem in iowa amid new revelations regarding benghazi and problems with her foreign policy record. bumps on the road on the way to 2016. stand by. and a new clue in the mystery of the airliner that landed at the wrong airport. turns out the pilots had some company in the cockpit. and nfl head injuries. why a judge will not propose a settlement for former players. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we begin with stunning new revelations about the attack on the u.s. mission in